Coach Kyle Reviews: You pay $850 an hour for a $100 to $150 an hour coach.
Coach Kyle's content is great. That's why his program costs $6,800. But you're not paying for Kyle's time. Most of the price pays for his content and brand, while junior coaches do all of your 1 on 1 coaching. Below is the math, so you can judge the value for yourself.
Quick answer: Not for most buyers. Coach Kyle Froonjian's 3 month 1 on 1 program costs $6,800. You get 2 to 3 calls of 30 minutes a week for 8 weeks, all with junior coaches who earn $100 to $150 an hour. That works out to about $850 an hour, or $425 for each 30 minute call. Kyle's free videos are worth watching. For most buyers, the paid coaching is a poor value for the price.
Who is Kyle Froonjian?
Kyle Froonjian, known online as Coach Kyle, is a dating coach for men. He runs Coach Kyle Dating and posts approach videos on YouTube, Instagram and TikTok. He says he has coached more than 1,000 men since 2019. His main paid product is a 3 month 1 on 1 coaching program, sold on a sales call after you apply.
What Kyle does well
Kyle films real approaches in malls, delis and parks, uncut, awkward parts and all. You can learn a lot from them, and they're free.
Those videos are what get most men onto his sales call. One thing to keep in mind: In the paid program, Kyle doesn't coach you 1 on 1. A junior coach does.
The content tax: Where your $6,800 goes
You hand over $6,800. About $1,000 of it pays for coaching. The rest pays for Kyle's name, his videos and system, a weekly group call, the sales team and profit. That gap is the content tax. Those things have real value. The question is whether they're worth about $5,800 to you.
Most of the price pays for content. The coaching comes from junior coaches.
The junior coaches are generously paid at $100 to $150 an hour, and many are building their own coaching practices. Some are very good. But they don't have Kyle's content or track record. The premium you pay comes from Kyle's name and content, not from their time.
4 things to know before you buy Coach Kyle's program
There's no fixed number of hours. Plan on 2 calls a week, which is 1 hour of coaching.
If you miss or reschedule a call, it's gone. That's half an hour you paid about $850 an hour for, and you don't get it back.
All 1 on 1 calls are with junior coaches. Kyle runs one group call a week for all members.
Questions get steered into sessions, not quick chat answers. Coaches have full calendars, so replies can take a while.
| How your 8 weeks go | Calls | Cost per hour | Cost per 30 minute call |
|---|---|---|---|
| Best case: 3 calls every week | 24 | $567 | $283 |
| Plan on this: 2 calls a week | 16 | $850 | $425 |
| If 3 calls are missed (work, travel) | 13 | $1,046 | $523 |
You pay top-coach prices for a market-rate coach
In the likely case of 2 calls a week, you pay about $850 for each hour of 1 on 1 coaching. Here's how that compares with what dating coaches charge on the open market.
The coach you work with in Kyle's program earns about what an experienced dating coach charges on the open market. But you pay close to 3 times what even a top-end coach charges. Rates near $1,000 an hour do exist, but they're for the best-known names in the field coaching you personally. In Kyle's program, you pay near that level, and Kyle isn't the one coaching you.
For about $850 an hour, you should be working with the name on the program. Instead you get a $100 to $150 an hour coach.
Same $6,800. Three ways to spend it.
Coaching works through practice and feedback. So the real question is simple: How many hours of coaching does your money buy?
- Assigned junior coach
- Hours not fixed, missed calls lost
- Kyle's full content and system
- About $425 an hour, half of Kyle's $850
- You choose your coach
- Fixed, booked hours
- Same pay level as Kyle's coaches
- 4 to 8 times the coaching
- Pair it with Kyle's free videos
Where the program is strong, and where it falls short
| What matters | Coach Kyle program | Independent, half rate | Coach at $100 to $150 |
|---|---|---|---|
| Content and system | Strong | Depends on coach | Add Kyle's free videos |
| Community and group calls | Yes, weekly with Kyle | Usually none | Usually none |
| Coaching hours for $6,800 | 8 to 12 | 16 | 45 to 68 |
| Fixed schedule | No, missed calls lost | Yes | Yes |
| Who coaches you | Assigned junior coach | Your pick | Your pick |
| Fast answers between calls | Wait for next call | Usually direct | Depends on coach |
The program is strongest on content. It's weakest on coaching time, which is what most of the price is for.
Put another way: The $850 that buys you 1 hour with a junior coach in Kyle's program buys 2 hours with an independent coach at half the rate, or more than 5 hours with a coach at $150 an hour.
Is Coach Kyle's program ever worth it?
Yes, if
- The price fits easily in your budget
- You want Kyle's system in order and a group to keep you going
- You can make every call for 8 straight weeks
No, if
- You're buying it to be coached by Kyle
- Your schedule changes often
- You mainly want 1 on 1 coaching time
5 questions to ask on the sales call
- Who exactly will coach me 1 on 1, and for how long have they coached?It won't be Kyle. Ask about the person it will be.
- How many hours am I guaranteed, in writing?"2 to 3 a week" is a range. Ask for a fixed number.
- What happens if I miss or reschedule a call?Each lost call is half an hour you paid about $850 an hour for.
- How do I get answers between calls?Ask what happens when you have a question the night before a date.
- How much of my time is with Kyle?One shared group call a week. Decide if that's worth the premium.
Great content, expensive coaching
Our rating: 2 out of 5. The content is strong. The coaching value is low for the price.
Kyle's content is strong, and much of it is free. The $6,800 program is mostly a content tax. You pay about $850 an hour for 1 on 1 coaching with a junior coach who earns $100 to $150 an hour, and missed calls aren't made up.
If you're in the market, consider the value. Learn the method from Kyle's videos. Then spend your money on booked hours with a coach you choose. The same $6,800 gets you 2 to 8 times more coaching.
Common questions about Coach Kyle
Is Coach Kyle legit?
Yes. Kyle is a real coach, and his free videos are useful. Where buyers should be careful is the paid program: You pay about $850 an hour for 1 on 1 coaching, and a junior coach runs every call.
How much does Coach Kyle's coaching program cost?
$6,800 for 3 months. The price isn't on his website. It comes up on the sales call after you apply.
Does Coach Kyle coach you himself?
Not 1 on 1. All 1 on 1 calls are with junior coaches. Kyle runs one group call per week, shared with all members.
How many coaching calls do you get?
2 to 3 calls of 30 minutes per week for 8 weeks. That's 16 to 24 calls, or 8 to 12 hours. The weekly number isn't fixed.
What happens if you miss a call?
It isn't made up. Missed or rescheduled calls are lost.
What's a better use of $6,800?
Learn the method from Kyle's free videos. Then book fixed hours with a coach you pick. At $100 to $150 an hour, $6,800 buys 45 to 68 hours.
What is Coach Kyle Dating?
Coach Kyle Dating is Kyle Froonjian's dating coaching business for men. It offers free videos, a free live workshop and a paid 3 month 1 on 1 program that costs $6,800.
Is Coach Kyle worth it?
His free videos are worth watching. The $6,800 program is not worth it for most buyers, because you pay about $850 an hour for 1 on 1 coaching and a junior coach runs every call.